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Originally Posted by KamikazeCommie
to bobcat:
but then you would need a definate set of universal morals to judge everyone in order to define true honor..... who or what to gets to decide that ? (which i suppose is a principle of relativism which i know you dislike  )
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But that's the thing: Relativism is illogical.
Relativism says that there are no absolutes. The problem is that is claim of absolutes, so therefore logically, the claim self-destructs.
There is an absolute set of morality. Just because not everyone knows what it is, does not mean it does not exist. Does the law of gravity cease to exist simply because not everyone knows what it is or refuses to acknowledges its existence?
And who decides what is the set of true morality? *BobCat looks up*
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but if one claims that honor and morality is inseperable, wouldn't that make the question unanswerable? =P
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I claim TRUE honor and morality is inseperable. The example of the mafia is an example of false honor.