Brigades revival

[Mandrake]

At this point in time I noticed that the brigades are becoming more pointless as the time passes by. The "wars" and the initial competitive nature of the brigades in the past made a few members very active an eager to participate even if some where just lazy and were just there as members.

Now brigades are becoming simple chit chat forums in which the only common trait of its members was that they liked this or that character. The cause of this was the "treaties" and "unions" which takes the competitive nature of the brigades away.

For this reason I suggest an attempt revival of the brigades. Getting rid of all current "unions" and "peace treaties" and instead encourage the rivalries of the brigades that existed a while ago.

The only brigade that is really trying to revive itself is the Shinobu brigade under the leadership of Kataja76 which if successful, will revive the brigade. I also suggest encouragement of an universal roster update for the brigades. Many brigades brigade leader are now either inactive or even banned (Bobcat). The roster update will setup roles for the members currently active while placing inactive members in the bottom of the ranks. This also means that even if the leaders do come back they will have ro earn their way back o leader status by action and activity.

Now the question is how to revive the competitive nature of the brigades. After all "treaties" and "unions" are gone it will be up to the brigade leaders to chose a rival brigade suggest the other brigade to become rivals. If both leaders agree then it will become a rivalry. Brigades without At this point in time I noticed that the brigades are becoming more pointless as the time passes by. The "wars" and the initial completive nature of the brigades in the past made a few members very active an eager to participate even if some where just lazy and were just there as members.

For this reason I suggest an attempt revival of the brigades. Getting rid of all current "unions" and "peace treaties" and instead encourage the rivalries of the brigades that existed a while ago

The brigades will not compete for member activity but for artistic prowess in which a mod or group of mods will judge the progress of the brigades. The brigades will be ranked monthly or so to see where they stand against other brigades and their rivals and hopefully will keep their competitive nature flowing.

Those are my ideas and I welcome new suggestions or tweaks towards improving the brigades.

[billgoku]

Well for one, you repeated yourself there drake my man. Might wanna edit that...but I agree, even I've been lazy, but thats only because members don't return to the brigades and so nothing is new to even post about.

I have seen that Hina's brigade is starting to show life again, maybe they'll throw out a challenge to other brigades and in turn the fire in their spirit will once again burn.

[Balmung]

Lol, if you want a war just go ask for one via RP

[Mandrake]

Originally Posted by billgoku

Well for one, you repeated yourself there drake my man. Might wanna edit that...but I agree, even I've been lazy, but thats only because members don't return to the brigades and so nothing is new to even post about.

I have seen that Hina's brigade is starting to show life again, maybe they'll throw out a challenge to other brigades and in turn the fire in their spirit will once again burn.

Wow, did I screw up... I will edit the message. I think it repeated itself because I ran out of time to write and I saved my post in a word document. I screwed up in the pasting.

Back to the topic, I believe universal action is needed to make it work. Rebuilding rivalries will create bigger incentives for members to become active. I would even accept a LH vs Negima rivalry if necessary.

[billgoku]

We need to get hina involved in this, since he's a brigade leader as well. Plus...I think I'm the leader of the Kanako brigade...but I'm not sure about that one.

[Mandrake]

Originally Posted by billgoku

We need to get hina involved in this, since he's a brigade leader as well. Plus...I think I'm the leader of the Kanako brigade...but I'm not sure about that one.

That just gave me a small idea, I think the brigade leaders should be invited to this to place their opinions and ideas and hopefully come with a positive conclusion.

I must say I have high hopes on this.

[Kataja76]

I must say you are setting the ideals high, Mandrake-san. I wish you the best of luck.

It is not competitiveness that makes my imagination flow, it is general enthusiasm around. If you reach that through competition and waging wars, then go ahead!

Originally Posted by Mandrake

The cause of this was the "treaties" and "unions" which takes the competitive nature of the brigades away.

The strangest unions happened in Love Hina - Kanako, Mutsumi and Naru against Kaolla, Kitsune, Motoko, Sara and Shinobu (LHm XI:95 and 96), for example. Logically, unions should be the consequence of war, not a reason for peace.

Originally Posted by Mandrake

the Shinobu brigade under the leadership of Kataja76

Be careful with your wordings, Mandrake-san! I have been doing the Shinobu Brigade Foundation, and in practice, that put me in charge for a while. But now Lieutenant Colonel Randompanzy of the Shinobu Brigade is back, and I am supporting his efforts!

Originally Posted by Mandrake

I also suggest encouragement of an universal roster update for the brigades.

Agreed. I am planning to make that more competitive by PMing former and potential members of the SB. EDIT: Darn, Bill has already come up with the same idea!

Originally Posted by Mandrake

even if the leaders do come back they will have ro earn their way back o leader status by action and activity.

Would make sense, but it can be hard to reach a general agreement on that. Some people like to keep their stripes even if inactive, and others will support them for various reasons.

Originally Posted by Mandrake

The brigades will not compete for member activity but for artistic prowess

You have not been reading my foundation manifesto, have you?

[Mandrake]

Originally Posted by Kataja76

Be careful with your wordings, Mandrake-san! I have been doing the Shinobu Brigade Foundation, and in practice, that put me in charge for a while. But now Lieutenant Colonel Randompanzy of the Shinobu Brigade is back, and I am supporting his efforts!

You got me out of context, what I meant was that you are leading the brigade revival and you are the most active in trying to spark more activity for the brigade

Originally Posted by Kataja76

Would make sense, but it can be hard to reach a general agreement on that. Some people like to keep their stripes even if inactive, and others will support them for various reasons.

That should be taken into consideration, but the brigades right now need active members to lead the brigades. Former inactive leaders can receive an honorary tittle for their previous service.

Originally Posted by Kataja76

You have not been reading my foundation manifesto, have you?

Where is that brigade manifesto you are talking about?

[Kataja76]

Originally Posted by Mandrake

Former inactive leaders can receive an honorary tittle for their previous service.

That is a very good idea and should have been implemented ages ago IMHO.

Originally Posted by Mandrake

Where is that brigade manifesto you are talking about?

I am talking about the opening message of the Shinobu Brigade Foundation (29th April 2008), which I tend to linkspam everywhere nowadays. Quoting myself:

Originally Posted by Kataja76

The current requirements for membership [of the foundation, not of the brigade] are:

1. having produced something creative or constructive (that requires a bit of effort too) within two weeks before handing in one's application for membership

2. showing positive attitude.

(...)

Only those who keep it up are considered full members of the foundation. Not accomplishing anything that would suffice for reaching membership for two full calendar months leads to listing the member as inactive until (s)he returns to true activity. This goes for all members, including founders and leaders. An inactive member does not have any rank, position, or responsibilities within the foundation.

So far nobody else has been dedicated enough to join.

[hinarei]

I'll join if the promise of cheese ham rolls is still open!

Interesting notion, Mandrake Actively encourage competition and award ranking points not just in one Brigade, but across the whole lot

[Mandrake]

Originally Posted by hinarei

I'll join if the promise of cheese ham rolls is still open!

Interesting notion, Mandrake Actively encourage competition and award ranking points not just in one Brigade, but across the whole lot

It's great that you find my idea to be a good one, but the main challenge I see if some of my ideas and Kataja76's can be put to execution in a much wider scale. I need mod support to put the plan to work.

[HIPHOPMAn]

Former inactive leaders can receive an honorary tittle for their previous service.

Ah, so this is the plan. Get rid of BC and have someone else steal his brigades here.

[Grey Fox]

Well in all fairness someone who isn't a member isn't in a good position to lead.
And a good leader knows how to delegate responsibly.

[Mandrake]

Originally Posted by HIPHOPMAn

Ah, so this is the plan. Get rid of BC and have someone else steal his brigades here.

Thank you for framing my statement.

My plan is not to antagonize BC's previous effort as leader of mutiple brigades. What I want is to place new leaders to take over after he was banned months ago. He was banned, he can't lead the brigades, and thus we need new member in the leader role. Afterall, the absence and inactivity of some leaders creates confusion of who is leading the brigade to make progress. A great example of this is the small GHK brigade where we don't even know who is the leader.

I am trying alongside other close members to ignite activity and creativity in the brigades the are near dead or have become simple chat forums. BC will get his honorary mentions as founder of some brigades, but we need to refresh the roster in order to take action.

[Grey Fox]

He won't let you, the kid is too stubborn to let someone stand in for BC.

That's why the HKSS slumped afterwards. BC always said he was the lifeline of the site, turns out he really the lifeline of the HKSS, but never had the prudency to have a contingency that could be well executed.

As for the other brigades, sheer innactivity.

If the HKSS wants my opinion or help they only have to say that if i re-join it's a clean slate; I was never a member before, and i never had any conflicts.