A proposition....

[Nani?]

Pepe and Nanana, please stop going at each other. I don't give a damn in the slightest.

Honestly, I don't care whether or not you LIKE the person who you're punishing//rewarding as a mod (that's a general you, by the way), as long as you can suspend your personal opinion of them while you do it.

You can further summarize my arguments (reducing quality, but you all have short attention spans) with this statement: When punishing someone, punish them according to the rules. If it's not against the rules, don't punish it.

There. Short, sweet, too the point.

Flashman, add that to your rules if it's not in there. I don't want a Bolshevik Revolution...

Okay, a dictatorship of the Proletariat would be nice, but....yeah....

[☼Pepe☼]

Well, mods don't punish members simply because they don't like them..

But their toleration on whether to punish them or not depends on how much they like them.

If a member commits, say, spam.
If the mod who sees it likes the member, he/she will probably just warn the member.
If the mod who sees it doesn't like the member, he/she will get infracting.

They still stay within the bounds of the rules...
But it's still unfair... D:

[billgoku]

Originally Posted by Pepe

Well, mods don't punish members simply because they don't like them..

But their toleration on whether to punish them or not depends on how much they like them.

If a member commits, say, spam.
If the mod who sees it likes the member, he/she will probably just warn the member.
If the mod who sees it doesn't like the member, he/she will get infracting.

They still stay within the bounds of the rules...
But it's still unfair... D:

I agree with Pepe here, it is unfair if mods bring personal feelings into their decision making.

[´Silæs]

I can believe Pepe and Nanana just made everyone overlook my long, long post

[mouse1992]

Originally Posted by billgoku

I agree with Pepe here, it is unfair if mods bring personal feelings into their decision making.

Yet, will they still listen? For them, this is their grass yard, and we are just bugs here. They will squash every bug that bites them, even though they are the first ones who attacked the bugs just because they have the superiority.......

[Tyroki]

Ahhh... resetting we shall go, resetting we shall go, hi ho the cheery-o's, resetting we shall go.

Enough of the idiocy -.-

[Gin Ichimaru]

Ty, if we reset the entire forum, just think of everything most of the members on this forum have done. I mean, all those brigades that people are having fun in, all the Love Hina and Negima infomation that's up in their sections and even if we did reset...it wouldn't change anything. We might end up loosing members.....

[Grey Fox]

Reseting is a stalling tatic, not a solution

[mouse1992]

Originally Posted by Kanda Yu

Ty, if we reset the entire forum, just think of everything most of the members on this forum have done. I mean, all those brigades that people are having fun in, all the Love Hina and Negima infomation that's up in their sections and even if we did reset...it wouldn't change anything. We might end up loosing members.....

Right. And it might even cause riots among the members.....besides the fact that resetting the whole forum is just like rearranging the appliances in your own room......

[BobCat]

Originally Posted by Sheena Fujibayashi

Reseting is a stalling tatic, not a solution

Correct.

And it doesn't deal with the root cause: People treating others like dirt, and having zero reprecussions. So we can reset the forum only to go back to how things are now.

[Ryo Misaki]

Originally Posted by Nani

Anyway, the original purpose (before I got off topic, complaining) was to basically say that ANYONE WITH A BIAS OR VENDETTA AGAINST MEMBER(S) SHOULD BE DE-MODDED, OR DENIED MODSHIP.

I must say... Nice job. Well structured, and filled with good points.
I've believed this all along... But somehow we've gone downhill. So troublesome.

However, as BobCat said (which I forgot to grab in quoting... and am too lazy to go back.) it's not so much of a problem if someone 'doesnt like' someone... If they remain neutral and do their job correctly.
There's people I dont like ALL THE TIME. But it never gets in the way of my judgement.

There should ALWAYS be a STRONG DIVISION between the Personal and Professional aspects of life.
Be it at your job, in the forum, or anywhere else.
This is a VERY IMPORTANT Value, that many people seem to overlook.

If you CANNOT overlook your personal 'attachments' with someone else when taking Moderative or Administrative action, then you should have someone else decide, or you should NOT be a Mod.

Plain and simple. =P

Hinarei, I don't honestly care if they feel like having power or not. Their job isn't to hold onto their power (that's the Politicians job). Their job is to ENFORCE THE RULES WHEN THEY ARE BROKEN. Police, Politzeit, KGB, whatever you want to call it.

Having a Bias/Vendetta (I'll come out and say it, DarkEva has a bias against KC and others) interfers with your judgement, which is key to having you as a Mod.

Honestly, whether they LIKE the person is not my problem, but if they're showing a Bias, then they're gone (if they can control it, I don't care).

Let's review for a second:

Moderators = Some Power
Admins = Lotsa Power
Members = No Power

Losta Power = Lotsa Responsibility
Some Power = Some Responsibility
No Power = Follow the Rules

One of the Responsibilities of a Mod//Admin is to SUSPEND PERSONAL VIEWS//OPINIONS WHEN MAKING JUDGEMENTS. I type in caps to draw attention to it, like yelling through text. Hopefully, it will get through all of you, bypassing your incredibily dense and stupid skulls.

Quoted... For Great Justice~!
Lets make something clear, though... At least from my perspective... Though Eva clearly DOES hold a 'bias'... She handles her professionalism very well.
Except for one instance (which was explained and resolved), I've never seen her abuse her powers as a mod.

Now, for ANOTHER matter... About the 'power' bit you listed.
Yes... Admins have all power, and Mods should have SOME power.

In my opinion... (and with the Administrative structure different, I think it should be changed) Mods and Brigade Mods have too much power for their position.
A Mod should NEVER have a 'global' power. (ie: Banning)
Mods should have control over their forums, and that ALONE.
And Brigade Mods, as I've said before, should have even less. They're not even 'real' mods... They should only have power in their brigade and nothing else.
I even believe (as I've stated before in threads) that Brigade Mods shouldnt even have access to the Staff Forum.
Brigades have a room for that, and that should be the extent of their capabilities. They shouldnt be able to infract, they shouldnt be able to manage the shoutbox or anything else...

Mods should only be able to infract, and moderate posts in their forum.
"Global" actions (such as banning and such) should be kept to GMods (Note... G stands for GLOBAL!) and above.

Also, all forums should have a moderator. I believe this forum (Forum Suggestions) and Love Hina still lack one. And our 2 Gmods are hardily around enough to take care of what's needed in them.

Not only should we take care in WHO is a Mod... But also restructure what powers the positions have. ^_^

Originally Posted by KC

interesting idea, but it's a piece of crap.

you can't expect people not to have opinions.

Ah... Of course, KC. Everyone has opinions. That can NEVER be helped.
However, certian people are able to over look 'opinions' or 'personal attachments' in favor of Professionalism.
People who are able to do so, should be mods.

[hinarei]

Originally Posted by Ryo Misaki

There should ALWAYS be a STRONG DIVISION between the Personal and Professional aspects of life.
Be it at your job, in the forum, or anywhere else.
This is a VERY IMPORTANT Value, that many people seem to overlook.

If you CANNOT overlook your personal 'attachments' with someone else when taking Moderative or Administrative action, then you should have someone else decide, or you should NOT be a Mod.

This forum's supposed to be (I've heard it said before, in passing) a fun place to be. This still does ring true for the most part, but where mods are concerned there's a job to be done. As far as I can tell, most mods are doing this to the best of their ability and I've not seen such bias rear its head lately

Originally Posted by Ryo Misaki

Quoted... For Great Justice~!

Lets make something clear, though... At least from my perspective... Though Eva clearly DOES hold a 'bias'... She handles her professionalism very well.

this thread isn't about Eva, is it? Why is her name specifically mentioned in this case?

Originally Posted by Ryo Misaki

In my opinion... (and with the Administrative structure different, I think it should be changed) Mods and Brigade Mods have too much power for their position.
A Mod should NEVER have a 'global' power. (ie: Banning)... Mods should only be able to infract, and moderate posts in their forum.
"Global" actions (such as banning and such) should be kept to GMods (Note... G stands for GLOBAL!) and above.

Probably true, but it's not really hurt us so far. You're right though. Gmods and Admins should be the sole accounts that can ban people...

However, the linkspamming infractaban was brought in for those occasions when an admin or Gmod wasn't present and unpleasant spam is cluttering up the board. I believe in this instance those trusted with mod rights should have the power to ban spammers

Originally Posted by Ryo Misaki

And Brigade Mods, as I've said before, should have even less. They're not even 'real' mods...

Separate issue, I think. Why are they not real mods though? Says so, right there on the page Brigade Moderator, can't miss it

Originally Posted by Ryo Misaki

Also, all forums should have a moderator. I believe this forum (Forum Suggestions) and Love Hina still lack one. And our 2 Gmods are hardily around enough to take care of what's needed in them.

still being discussed. The mods are being pared down, and forums will be dished out in manageable chunks to existing moderators

Originally Posted by Ryo Misaki

However, certian people are able to over look 'opinions' or 'personal attachments' in favor of Professionalism.
People who are able to do so, should be mods.

the whole point of the thread

Bias, as noted, is unavoidable. The best we can do is try and not let it cloud our judgement

[Nani?]

Yes, yes. Let's keep the people with power on a Paper Chain hinarei.

Call me a cynic (no, seriously, please do), but people cannot be trusted with a table spoon of power. Teaspoon yes, Tablespoon no.

====To prevent my rambling, I've broken my thoughts here. Enjoy music and toast====

There is no "try to not let them cloud our judgements". You either let it cloud it or not, and if you let it cloud your judgements, then BAM. You get demodded.

If you lived in a perfect world that is. But, corruption is rampant, and our light views of responsibility for those in power doesn't help in the slightest.