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    Su Kaolla or Kaolla Su?

    This should be a slam-dunk question...after all in the manga vol. 1 p. 166 they list all the girls, with their stats and full names. According to that chart, "Su" is her family name, and that seems consistent through out the manga and anime.

    However, I'm confused that the other characters and real people so often refer to her as "Su" or "Su-chan." That would be like someone going around and saying "Hey, Otohime!" or "Hi, Aoyama-chan!" or "Smile for me, Maehara!"

    Why is Kaolla Su so much more often addressed by her family name?

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    dunno why, maybe its cuz she is from Molmol, or it could just be that is what everybody calls her in the manga.

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    She is addressed as Kaolla too.
    Also, note that Keitaro calls Naru by her family name.
    Note that Motoko has been called "Aoyama-senpai" by those girls that are always with her. I don't know wether to clasify them as friends.
    Shinobu is called "Maehara-san" at least once in the series.
    Keitaro is called "Urashima" ALOT in the series, especialy by Motoko.

    It appears that in Japan, you can get called by either of your names, depending which the speaker wants to use.
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    In Japan there's supposed to be some highly destinctive social ladder.
    Chan - friends
    San - I thought it was older then you friends
    Kun - friends
    Sama - adressed to king, queen or other sorts of high leader types
    Senpai - adressed to who you think is superior to you

    Ofcourse I may be wrong. And I think there more of those adressing word.

    Here full name in English or Dutch (I say those cuz I know for certain I which order they say famalie name and first name) Kaolla Su.

    (I adress her as Su-sama, if you're interested)

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    She was often called Su by the residents of the dorm, because Japanese convention seems to be that the surname is said first. If Kaolla introduced herself as Kaolla Su, then her name would be taken as 'Su'

    She responds to either, so it's no big deal, but if I remember correctly, there's a section in the anime where she is surprised by Shinobu calling her 'Kaolla', as Shinobu doesn't normally call her that.

    MolMol follows Western convention and lists the surname second.

    So yeah, maybe a bit of a slamdunk question, but enough of a confusion for people new to the series to trip over

    Put simply, Kaolla is awkward because she's the 'exotic foreigner'.

    The name? Su. Kaolla Su. ^_^

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    Yippe for Suu, Koalla Suu!!

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    ...or, for purists, I suppose you can say Kaolla Suu, too

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    Quote Originally Posted by hinarei
    but if I remember correctly, there's a section in the anime where she is surprised by Shinobu calling her 'Kaolla', as Shinobu doesn't normally call her that.
    If I remeber it correctly that is because Su-sama want Shinobu to call her by her first name to indicate close friendship. It makes her happy (also at that point although shinobu is crying and calling her baka (stupid)), she wants happyness for everyone (or *removed due the Kaolla question thread* whichever comes first). She knows shinobu's her close friend but the Su-chan (I think it was) makes it to formel for her.

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    Chan does not mean friend, I don't think. I beleive it means "person that is of lesser status" and therefore the opposite of senpai.
    San means "Mr.," "Ms.," "miss," or "Mrs." Yeah.
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    Well like I said in an earlier post; "Hell do I know". but if San means that and chan is the oposite of senpai.. then it should be kun?
    (I can emagine shinobu saying senpai to Su-sama though)

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    -chan means "lesser status" and also used to mean "little" (onii-chan - little brother) Those who are close to others also use -chan with their names, even though they don't consider them "little" or "lesser status"

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    The suffixes -Chan and -Kun are meant as endearment and intimacy.

    -San is respect and -Sama and -Dono is for those with status (Those higher class in society)

    You should be careful as to who you call -Chan especially girls.


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    i call her Su, just su

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    Yeah, from what tiny bit of Japanese I've come across, it seems that like in the U.S., calling one by one's family name alone indicates lack of respect (think of someone saying "Hey, [your last name]!".) That's why Motoko calls Keitaro by his family name alone ("Urashima!"), because (at least outwardly) she shows little respect for him.

    Contrast that with Shinobu's "Urashima-sempai." When a title is added to the family name, it connotates great respect (think of someone calling you "Professor [your last name].") Changes things quite a bit!

    The dictionary term for "sempai" is "elder," although the context in which Shinobu says it to Keitaro and which Naru says it to Seta strikes me that the term here is something more akin to "mentor." I'm not certain that Shinobu would ever see Kaolla Su as her "mentor."

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    Shinobu calls Kaolla "Kaolla-san" (ep 13) but she wants to be called "Kaolla"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobCat
    Shinobu calls Kaolla "Kaolla-san" (ep 13) but she wants to be called "Kaolla"
    Right. And that scene near the end of 13 IMHO is the most beautiful moment in the entire series. Everything about it--the script, the music, the art and color, and the voice acting--just clicked like nothing else and always brings me to the brink of tears. Ironically, there really isn't an equivalent scene in the manga.

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    Plus there was that episode in the anime, with Shinobu's first kiss. Shinobu called Kaolla Suu, "Why do you keep ruining my iife Suu!" "I hate you Koalla" and when she said Koalla, Suu was happy that Shinobu called her that cuz Suu was so formal. She wanted to called Kaolla so she could feel more like her friend.

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    Kinda what I said earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Anderson
    Kinda what I said earlier.
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